When you list your assets for a home loan, you aren't for the assets. Exchange are bitcoin wallets that allow bitcoin holders to sell their holdings, in part or in whole, and then withdraw the funds to their bank accounts. He said I bitcoin use what I had loan coinbase as asset but not the paper wallets. For many usda the proof of assets is required only to verify that the usda had enough money to pay closing exchange and the down payment. The relative strength of for US economy supports bitcoin value of its currency. Things have changed rapidly ever since then, as one single bitcoin price has just recently hit the all time high loan of USD.
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Just saying dsm is hq for for mortgage division, so I wouldn't be too surprised Login Forgot your password? This is not a bitcoin post about a new place accepting bitcoin usda that Loan took a trip to the bathroom Congrats on exchange new home, btw! Totally different situation though I'm sure.
Your pet gardening projects have nothing to do with the cost of home ownership that is being discussed in this thread. I've already rented half the house to a roommate so I'm good with cash, but thanks for thinking about it. Wells doesn't hold the loan, or even fund it. They package it as part of a Fannie Mae MBS and the government just prints the money for this debt slavery volunteer.
Thank FSM the government can debase the currency while putting everyone into shackles. But if they debase the currency there will be inflation, thus reducing the value of said debt-slaves debt, allowing them to more easily escape their servitude.
Sure it's been thought through. They aren't risking anything by making the loan. The money is free for them because they conjure it into existence when they make the loan. If there's even a small chance that they'll be able to foreclose on the loan and gain a house for free, then making the loan is a good decision for them.
Eventually the banksters end up owning everything; it's the mathematically inevitable result of the fiat monetary system. Owned it for a few years until it had like 25k in equity mostly from real state going up plus some diy upgrades. If you go FHA you can finance a house up to If he has enough cash to cover the downpayment, that 3. Also, assets are only a fraction of what is actually counted for being approved for a home purchase loan.
Income, debt levels and payment history, and types of debt all make a much larger impact than just assets. Surely you aren't about to tell us they considered your stash of BTC as assets??? Underwriter here, there's no way this would fly unless you had proof of liquidation of the bitcoins.
Just saying dsm is hq for home mortgage division, so I wouldn't be too surprised But thats just me. Sounds like it was a verbal thing but if you have any documentation just heavily redact, scan and send it over to us, or try to get some documentation.
This is not a normal post about a new place accepting bitcoin or that Andreas took a trip to the bathroom Celebration-time would be nice in these relatively hum-drum times. I sign more docs in the morning at the bank if there is something is writing showing that's what was the determining fact I'll post it, but I had to do was provide a copy of my Coinbase transaction history. My credit score didn't get me the loan.
So they're including your current BTC balance when doing the math to determine if you're eligible for mortgage, right? If so, that's pretty nice, considering banks were freezing people's accounts just a couple months ago for dealing in BTC. Congrats on the new home, btw! Wells Fargo have for quite a while been friendly towards bitcoin. They even published a nice paper about it. I deal with both Chase and WF. I wonder about the differences in their internal email correspondence in regards to BTC.
You think Wells Fargo would be a good candidate for first full-fledged international banking system to accept? I know that's a hail mary but I have to ask: Once the system grabs hold I will be a skeptic and leave it to the day traders, since it will be a balanced system. I feel like it was probably more dependent on your previous year's taxes for proof of your income. I'm sure you had to provide 2 years of tax records?
At work I try to get everything in writing. Working with vendors over the phone means they talk heaven then produce shit because there isn't a record. I assume this is because they know they can sugar-coat things verbally and it isn't admissible in court unless you say outright that the conversation is being recorded.
Same stringent rules apply for things like this. I guess I can meet you in person, but could you just scan the doc blocking out any personal details, obviously? You can even use your smartphone to scan docs now; fyi. I used coinbase as well to get my pre-approval for a mortgage.
I had to ask coinbase support to write me a letter though to make it more official looking. It worked at two different small banks. I could see a small bank, but I was surprised Wells Fargo did. It's just great that banks are taking it more seriously. You can use any assets as qualification for a loan. You could use artwork. You can use collectibles. You can use anything that you can reasonably claim value.
Granted, banks may choose to discount some, based on the marketability or type of asset. Bitcoin clearly has value, and is easily appraised. All you need to do is demonstrate proof of ownership, and a coinbase statement is reasonable proof.
The current value is easily appraised, yes, but it is very volatile so I can see why a bank would be hesitant to include it in its calculations. Most stocks and most housing stock isn't as volatile as bitcoin, so to say it's "normal" is a bit specious, IMO. Kind of the whole job of banks is to evaluate risk and volatility like that.
They're clearly not perfect at it The value doesn't need to be long-term. For many loans the proof of assets is required only to verify that the borrower had enough money to pay closing costs and the down payment. People have tried to use prior loans as assets for a future loan, and that's not allowed.
Assets are not nearly as important for a loan as income or credit score. Loans can be closed even if the borrower has almost no assets at all - a few hundred dollars in a checking account can be enough if the processor and underwriter set up the loan for this. I've talked to a bank about using bitcoin as an asset for a loan, and they said no way.
Not true with Bitcoin at most banks. I was speaking to a loan officer at a Credit Union just this afternoon about a SBL, and she specifically stated that I'd have to cash in my bitcoin in order to count it as collateral for the loan. So yes, it's pretty profound for Wells Fargo to do this without requiring him to cash it in first.
No, this was not for a SBA loan, thus was for a business line of credit. Your specific banker didn't know what a bitcoin was so it's very profound that his banker did Actually, she knew exactly what it was, and she even owns some. She wrote her master's thesis on AI, so she was a geek before going into finance.
This was bank-wide policy, and they've apparently discussed the question in an official capacity before today. It's amazing because it's not too common. And on a large scale, all cryptos are not taken too seriously. Yeah, Wells Fargo closed my account 2 months ago from what I can only assume to be the amount of Coinbase transactions.
I'm generally both optimistic for and a proponent of bitcoin, but this does seem irresponsible on the part of the lender. I would expect that they used cash value, and maybe reduced it by some percentage just to keep it in a safe margin.
You could have a bank in Europe and use Euros as your asset instead of dollars - the bank understands the risk that the value of the euro could drop, but really they won't hold that against you.
My family moves in august15! When you list your assets for a home loan, you aren't pledging the assets. Only the house itself is collateral typically. Of course, this only applies for states that require non-recourse home mortgages.
Second mortgages and lines of equity are not non-recourse, so they'll come after you for the balances. I was able to prove that I could convert the Bitcoin to cash to cover expenses. That's why they approved me. Other wise I wouldn't of has access to enough cash to be approved. Not at all actually.
I make 36, a year. My husband makes 46, a year. I have a monthly car payment of My husband has weekly child support payments of We both have a credit card each with less then Credit card payments are made before due date monthly.
How realistic is it that I will be able to get a home within the , range in the next year or so? And, from this quick snap shot of our finances, does it look like we would be able to qualify for a USDA loan? I hope that someone out there can help me. No one in either of our families have ever purchased a home and we are trying our best with our limited knowledge to make this dream come true for us and our children.
IMHO you are in no position to buy a home. If it was me, I'd payoff the student loans, pay off the car, get those credit card balances to zero and keep them there , and save up at least 10K as an emergency fund before even considering buying a home. Right now you have no wiggle room. A relatively minor issue with a purchased home can send you right back into trouble financially. You may be eager to buy, but your finances say different.
You can make a really good long term financial decision with no risk: That is a much smarter decision then buying a home at this point in your life. If property values drop at all you are going to be stuck in that house which likely has a pretty high monthly payment, insurance, taxes, HOA fees, maintenance costs, etc.
My rule of thumb is that if you can't come up with a down payment, then you can't afford the house. Especially with that much debt hanging over your head already. Keep renting until you have enough money for a downpayment, even if this means downsizing your price range for houses you are considering. This is awfully close to the limit, so they likely would also look at your ability to save. Not seeing savings in the above example, I assume it is low.
One mortgage help site breaks down some of the requirements into layman's language. There are few places in which you could be living that would qualify you to any of their programs unless you have a several children.
All the above advices plus this: For you first house, you should start smaller. Buy a k or less condo if possible, then grow from there. You sell every 5 years or so when the market is favorable and you will slowly get to that nice k house.
First, I know you want to buy a house. I get that, and that is an awesome goal to work for. You need to really sit down and decide why you want a house.
People often tell we that they want a house because they are throwing their money away renting. This is just not true. There is a cost of renting, that is true, but there is also a cost of owning. Now that equity is nice to have, but make no mistake under no circumstance does every dime you put into your house increase its value. This is a huge misconception. There is interest, fees, repairs, taxes, and a bunch of other stuff that you will spend money on that will not increase the value of your home.
You will do no harm, waiting a bit, renting, and getting to a better place before you buy a house. I'm not saying wait to buy a house; I am saying think of these as steps in the large house buying plan.
Get your current debt under control. Your credit score doesn't suck, but it's not good either. It's middle of the road. Your going to want that higher if you can, but more importantly than that, you want to get into a pattern of making debt then honoring it.
The single best advise I can give you is what my wife and I did. Get a credit card you have one; don't get more and then get into a habit of not spending more on that credit card than you actually have in the bank. This will improve your score quite a bit, and will, in time, get you in the habit of buying only what you can afford. Unless there has been an emergency, you should not be spending more on credit than you actually have. Your car loan needs to get under control.
I'm not going to tell you to pay it off completely, but see point 2. Your car debt should not be more than you have in the bank. This, again is a credit building step. If you have 7. It can totally turn your situation around in just a few months. It will also allow you to see your "house fund" growing. So far this sounds like a long wait, but it's not. It also sounds like I am saying to wait to actually buy a house, and I'm not. I am not saying get your debt to 0, nor do I think you should wait that long.
The idea is that you get your debt under control and build a nice solid set of habits to keep it under control. In that case, you could effectively pay your mortgage with bitcoin, but it would be a manual, indirect process. There are bitcoin wallets that allow bitcoin holders to sell their holdings, in part or in whole, and then withdraw the funds to their bank accounts.
And even then, it would be pretty doubtful given the infrastructure that would need to be in place, along with whatever compliance stuff would need to happen. As for the valuation issue, what would it be worth when it was applied to the mortgage?
Paying the mortgage in bitcoin would also complicate matters if and when you needed to document your payment history for a subsequent mortgage or refinance. There are services that allow that because the transactions involve USD and typically involve a two-step process whereby you charge the desired amount with the payment processor, then they cut a check to the lender on your behalf in USD.
In the meantime, individuals are always free to sell investments and withdraw the cash proceeds and use them as they wish. A company by the name of ManageGo is launching bitcoin rental payments soon. Is that truly accepting bitcoin? I think if and when mortgage lenders and landlords eventually accept actual bitcoin for payment, it could be a cost-saver and a quicker transaction, as opposed to sending a check or ACH. Click here to cancel reply. Powered by the lovely Wordpress platform.
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